Now I will never upgrade to windows 10!

markebenson · March 09, 2016, 04:29:08 AM

I have experimented with 10 but today I am doing some very important graphic design on a dedicated workstation with 8.1 on it when I lost an hour's worth of work. The computer said "restarting" out of no-where. Then is says "installing windows 10". I pulled a/c cord faster than than the speed of light! then booted in safe mode and uninstalled all the temp files. I never signed up for windows 10 on this pc. If they are this vendictive to force it on people it certainly won't be for the consumer's benefit! I won't change until i'm forced to now!

Jumpin' Jeff · March 09, 2016, 04:49:25 PM

It is now considered a recommended update, so if you don't want it, you need to change your update preferences to install only the important updates. Make certain too that you uninstall the update that gives you the windows 10 upgrade notification flag.

clover-leaf-productions · March 09, 2016, 10:08:35 PM

I have three software vendors that have contacted me at the office, and said that their applications will not function under windozze 10.

Dj Buik · March 10, 2016, 07:01:32 PM

Sooner or later you need to upgrade. Like Windows XP it will not be supported anymore, and security leaks wil not be patched.

You can upgrade to Windows 10 for free till 29 july, if im correct.
After that you need to pay.

In my opinion is 10 much better than 8.1 or 7.

Jumpin' Jeff · March 10, 2016, 07:17:41 PM

In some ways, but in others, it is much worse.

I like the fact that in most cases, 10 is leaner, and faster. And of course the start menu is a nice mix of 7 & 8.

I dislike how they force the latest drivers to you, even if they slow down, or break your system. You have little to no choice in the matter. I had to roll back my video drivers almost daily to keep Windows 10 from BSOD'ing with my vMix software. That has since been resolved.

markebenson · March 11, 2016, 07:43:41 AM

I understand that I will need to uprade eventually to keep up. The problem is they forced the update and i wasn't given a choice. Not cool! There has been blogs online about others having this prob without opting in.

Speaking of this . . .

I think ots should go Linux base. I do Camera installs among other electronics in the daytime. I Used to install Geovision sytems. They were the norm. They spent so much resources keeping up with the current OS then the linux based system came out from other vendors and offered the same features in a $500 box that we used to pay $2500 for and it was much more efficient because it was designed for the purpose. .

If Ots did this they could spend all those resources on features or something rather than the OS . Not to mention, The requirement for a small linux box will emiminate pirating. Unfortunately that does happen and costs software developers dearly. If ots made a little Linux box, they could stop wasting resources on the O.S Then offer maps for the most popular controllers. This would create an evelution. Seratto and Vdj are not efficcient at all. The only dominate because of the controller options. I don't think they even offer compression features. Volume up and down like a yoyo. So yeah - Linux time.

clover-leaf-productions · March 12, 2016, 11:05:10 PM

There was rumor, and speculation years back, that by the look, and feel of OtsDj they were doing their development work on Linux, and then porting the software to windozzzzzze. I put out the plea at that time for them to just let us have the Linux version. I never heard anything from the Ots world on that request. Linux is so much more stream-lined then windozzzzzze, with lower hardware requirements.

Long Live The Penguin!

Jigger · March 13, 2016, 05:52:25 AM

QuoteI never heard anything from the Ots world on that request

or any other request for that matter.

Jumpin' Jeff · March 13, 2016, 09:18:30 PM

Brian, I had never heard that. Complete news to me.

Honestly, I don't believe it. If they had a Linux version, I'm certain they would have released it.

Not only that, but can you program in C++ on Linux? That is what they are coding in.

Darryl · March 14, 2016, 12:17:07 PM

You can program in C++ for any operating system. The language itself is unaware of the o/s or even the processor architecture that it is running on. As long as someone has written a C++ compiler for any given o/s you can compile your "pure" C++ code on it.

However, in order to interface with any hardware (such as displays, or audio devices) you need the appropriate libraries. If any of this is vendor proprietary then you are out of luck - e.g. with IOS they want you to use their Object C libraries.

There is no reason why Ots Labs could not port the OtsAV code to Linux - however it would not be easy if their usage of the Windows audio and video was closely coupled to the operating system.

I always got the impression that Ots Labs wrote very lean native code tailored for Windows - there might be a lot of optimization work required as well as compilation/hardware interfacing for Linux.

Take a look at the http://mixxx.org/ source code if you are at all curious - that is C++ and compiles on Linux, MAC and Windows. They have chosen a third-party cross-platform library for their user interface. I've not looked at how they talk to the audio hardware on each platform though.

Jumpin' Jeff · March 14, 2016, 01:59:55 PM

Ok, so I was under the impression that Ots was using Visual Studio 6 C++ back in the days of AutoBPM detection release.

Just saying, I personally believe they have been on windows the entire time, not linux.

clover-leaf-productions · March 14, 2016, 11:38:07 PM

A lot of windows program coding is done on Linux systems. The multiple system desktop environment, the ease of multiple virtual machine configurations, and the low resource overhead of a Linux base system itself make it the ideal programing playground.

Darryl · March 15, 2016, 12:28:00 PM

I've been programming professionally on Windows for my entire career and I've never seen anyone develop for Windows on any other platform. I've seen Windows PCs used for cross-platform development (MAC/PC), embedded software on specialist hardware (e.g. cryptographic smart cards). Generally we would use the version of Visual C++ / Visual Studio available at the time.

If you are ever curious about what version of VC/VS is used for a product, just take a peek at the internals of the .EXE or DLL files with Dependency Viewer - you can find the version of the C runtime library that was linked to quite easily - this normally ships with a specific version of Visual Studio (or VC++ back in the day - the product was renamed around the time of the first .NET release).