As the heading says....who plans to use the new version for their gig this weekend, and who plans to test for a bit before using it in a live show situation?
My next gig is a couple of weeks away, so I'll get time to play with it before going live. My MIDI controller is coming to the end of its useful life (it was cheap, so I didn't expect it to last for long - but it managed nearly 5 years), so I'm hoping to replace it and get the OHM file sorted for it (assuming that Ots Labs haven't added native support for a controller that takes my fancy in this release).
Tomorrow, Friday & Saturday nights, after beating it senseless all day.
We have to get the upgrade first !!! :confused:
Not me. Wedding saturday. No way. I'll need to be super comfortable with it
mmmmm I don't think so as I have one tonight in 7 hrs - it is now 12.09pm August the 1st here in Oz
Nope controller now no longer works :-( Would have otherwise
Quote from: Hayd on August 01, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Nope controller now no longer works :-( Would have otherwise
Yikes! What controller do you use?
Numark Mixtrack Pro
ahh... so the HC4500 (since it's one of Ots fully-supported controllers) should still work fine, I suppose. (I can't test it yet because I just ordered a new one and won't have it for a few days).
I take it back, have got it working now. Apologies esperance :-)
Glad to hear you got it working Hayd. I've not tried mine yet - fingers crossed! I need to add the new looping buttons of course...
No way I do video with OtsAV DJ pro 1.85 .076 fully licenced version but having downloaded the 30 day trial version of 1.90 Esperance and choosing just one folder of various Ots video files i can report that all will play happily on the old work horse version as they have always done?
However with Esperance 1.90 only some of the video Ots files play and others produce a red & black screen message stating error loading video and play just the audio only and this message can not be removed other than by turning the video screens off!!
Have no idea why the same video files will show and load in Ots AV DJ pro 1.85 and not in this new Esperance 1.90 but there is no way I will be using it this weekend or in the future until I get some help and support from OTS as I feel we are being used as Beta testers for their new software.
And as we only perform with video and use very little audio now, I would have no idea what was going to play or not!!!
So No way will I be trying it as it is no where up the OTS I want love and respected in the past!!!
Sort it out Ots or tell your customers that at present it is only useable for audio and forget it for video as i noticed you have greyed out the HD functions so you obviously have issues you have not resolved?
I look forward to a reply from the software designers at Ots and anyone on the forum that would like to comment as well?
Kind Regards to all
John Webb
Music2Party
Eastbourne UK :angry1:
That's really Odd John. The media library and Ots format to my knowlege has not changed, so it's the playback within Ots that is likely the problem. I'll have to see if I can find some bad videos on my setup. It really is too bad it has to display on the main screen like that. It should recover to slideshow or something automatically IMO.
You normally get the Error Loading Video message when the internal resolution is set too low, try setting OtsAV to Enhanced Definition otherwise its the video resolution which is too high.
I normally encode at 1920x1080 and all my videos play fine on my 1.90 setup although I'm sure Ots downscales from this to Enchanced Definition.
I have gone through and playted a lot of videos with no problem.
Quote from: Music2Party on August 01, 2012, 05:13:17 PM
No way I do video with OtsAV DJ pro 1.85 .076 fully licenced version but having downloaded the 30 day trial version of 1.90 Esperance and choosing just one folder of various Ots video files i can report that all will play happily on the old work horse version as they have always done?
However with Esperance 1.90 only some of the video Ots files play and others produce a red & black screen message stating error loading video and play just the audio only and this message can not be removed other than by turning the video screens off!!
Have no idea why the same video files will show and load in Ots AV DJ pro 1.85 and not in this new Esperance 1.90 but there is no way I will be using it this weekend or in the future until I get some help and support from OTS as I feel we are being used as Beta testers for their new software.
And as we only perform with video and use very little audio now, I would have no idea what was going to play or not!!!
So No way will I be trying it as it is no where up the OTS I want love and respected in the past!!!
Sort it out Ots or tell your customers that at present it is only useable for audio and forget it for video as i noticed you have greyed out the HD functions so you obviously have issues you have not resolved?
I look forward to a reply from the software designers at Ots and anyone on the forum that would like to comment as well?
Kind Regards to all
John Webb
Music2Party
Eastbourne UK :angry1:
John our customers ARE using video every day of the week in large numbers. Your problem is that you are comparing apples with oranges. You're obviously running 1.85 in one internal video resolution and 1.90 in a lower resolution. If you change 1.85 to the same res, you'll get the same black bars! Conversely if you up the res of 1.90 to the same res as your 1.85, you'll be able to play the videos just fine in 1.90. That's a limitation of the lower res mode with higher res videos and has been how ALL OtsAV editions have worked going right back to when video was introduced in 2006. There's no significant change to video between 1.85 and 1.90 (and any changes are all positive, such as now supporting PNG images in the slideshow feature), including your second point of the HD menus being greyed out. That's simply a function of which license you have. You need a TV Broadcaster license for HD to be enabled. Nothing new there. Re your beta testers comment... are you serious? If we wanted you to beta test you'd have been running this months ago. I would have thought it would be fairly obvious we take our quality control standards very seriously, but I guess those black and red bars really got to you :)
Take care,
Adam
P.S. Just saw Nicolee's comment. Correct.
P.P.S. Jeff, the message doesn't display on the main screen. I believe you've misinterpreted John's comment. All it is is a simple message to the user in the mini deck monitor informing of the error. It absolutely is not mixed in the main video stream or displayed to the audience, LOL.
Thanks for the clarication Adam!
:p Hi guys fair enough it does now work OK but if you could have been here when I was playing these video files on my old software and the new software one after the other and all played perfectly in my old software and not all in the new! Yes I did get a little hot under the collar as a suggestion for an update issue why not flash up the message Error loading Video Resolution too low as this would help any of us to correct an operator error without having to contact the support team. I do need some help with the looping feature as I have no manual instructions to refer to?
Also like others are saying on other threads I am disappointed that Esperance does not now play MP4 video files as I buy them from Promo only as MP4 format so then have to convert to either vob or Mpeg 2 and then they can be converted with the studio to Ots files!
Of course again if someone knows of a quicker way to convert these files I receive in MP4 format I would be very grateful to hear about it please?
Adam if you are saying in order to play HD quality videos I have to spend even more money? I do think I will have to take another look at Virtual DJ 8 when it is released as I also hold a full pro version licence for that so I will receive a free upgrade when released!!
Video music entertainment is the future and we should not be expected to have to purchase a TV broadcast licence just to offer our clients HD quality video?
That's how I feel and I am prepared to stand up and be counted for my comments on this forum!
Another question to Adam or anyone at OTS I purchased an additional licence in May to enable me to upgrade to Esperance when released!
After checking my licences this licence is not shown which is why I could not download a full version on Eperance!
How can this error be resolved please?
Thank you
John
Music2Party
Eastbourne UK
John
its not really a big deal to convert files from mp4 to mpeg2 and then to OTS.
and remember part of the reason ots runs so smoothly is because of the .ots files.
mp4 files need a lot more processing than mpeg2's, so its more work for the cpu to have to do.
Quote from: Music2Party on August 01, 2012, 06:36:12 PM
Adam if you are saying in order to play HD quality videos I have to spend even more money? I do think I will have to take another look at Virtual DJ 8 when it is released as I also hold a full pro version licence for that so I will receive a free upgrade when released!!
You can play HD quality videos entirely for free. Just use VLC player. Virtual DJ is free too isn't it? Last I heard it was - I personally never really look at the competition.
Quote from: Music2Party on August 01, 2012, 06:36:12 PM
Video music entertainment is the future and we should not be expected to have to purchase a TV broadcast licence just to offer our clients HD quality video?
I don't think anyone's expecting anything of you, except maybe your clients. How you handle them and what result you get and which tools you use of course is entirely up to you - but it may have some impact on the result. On the plus side, it could also save you a lot of money if you manage to find a free tool that truly addresses all of your needs without compromising any areas of importance to you and your clients. The clients that use our high-end products, such as TV Broadcaster obviously know what they want and can discern the differences - otherwise they'd definitely save money by using Winamp or Media Player or even Virtual DJ. I can't speak for them individually obviously, but considering this is one of our largest areas of growth you'd have to conclude that what Ots does is pretty special. So comparisons to these other tools is probably unfair or at least unmeaningful. If you're happy to use Virtual DJ and it handles all of your needs, then why not? I'm not a great person to ask because I have a diametrically opposed philosophical position to what appears to be the Virtual DJ way of doing things.
Quote from: Music2Party on August 01, 2012, 06:36:12 PM
That's how I feel and I am prepared to stand up and be counted for my comments on this forum!
Another question to Adam or anyone at OTS I purchased an additional licence in May to enable me to upgrade to Esperance when released!
After checking my licences this licence is not shown which is why I could not download a full version on Eperance!
How can this error be resolved please?
It's been stated at the Esperance page that an announcement will be made for people in that category. If you purchased a license in that timeframe, then you definitely qualify for free upgrade to Esperance, but you'll have to follow the outlined procedures as was explained in the FAQ back at the time. It is not an automated process (unfortunately in this case), so please be patient - we're obviously experiencing an extremely high degree of contact at this time, and even though we expected that, it's far more than even we anticipated :)
Adam just to keep you up to date I bought my Virtual DJ Pro version software 5 years ago before finding Ots AV it was not free it cost me £315 but the difference is Atomix who produce virtual DJ is they allow their licenced customers to install the software on any PC or laptop they legally own, so we do not have to keep buying many licences, also as a fully legal pro software user they provide free all future software updates instead of charging their customers!! Something OTS needs to seriously think about because believe it or not we are in a recession and we can't keep paying out every time you make a few changes some for the better and some not so good if you study this forum since your release of Esperance!!
Regarding my purchase of a third licence in May 2012, so you are telling me having taken my money you can not get my licence ready to allow me to download a full version of Esperance when it was released instead of this this 30 day trial version that keeps telling me to buy a licence and some of the features can't be turned off! That is 4 months how long does it take to process an order!! I suggest you show this letter to your managing director as customer service to your clients is discusting!! I can see why you never told us anything about what was coming in Esperance as to be honest if I had waited before purchasing a licence to upgrade to Esperance I would not have bothered personally!!
Regards
John Webb
Music2Party
John,
I assume you have been in touch with Ots directly about your license issue. I have always found the tech support and Cust service top class personally. Hopefully you get your issue resolved.
Hi All
This is John from Music2Party. Used VDJ last night instead of Ots AV for my wedding gig and it froze!! The audio kept playing but the program was not responding and as soon as it finished the song playing that was it? Sound stopped !!Could not close it or anything had to use Ctrl Alt Del to close it! I was using the auto mix and used the mouse to change the track when it happened, was also using clickbank to show video transitions?
I have never had this all the time I used Ots AV 1.85 ? So is VDJ no good for video unless you have the lasted laptop and win 7?? NO reading their forum reports they are full of problems no matter what spec your laptop is!! So VDJ is not a replacement option!
But me not silly!! As we run a fully professional business I had also plugged in my Ots files H.D and was able to start my OTS program and continue without any problems for the rest of the night. A Big thank you OTS AV 1.85 you again as you have been doing for 3 years + saved the day!
The moral of this story is if it is not broken don't try to fix it!! :thumbsup: Not Kean on Esperance but no problem still with 1.85 :happy:
Cheers guys and girls
John
Music2Party UK
next gigs are fri/sat next week and I will be using 1.90
have been testing since wed on 2 different machines, finally hooked up the denon to the studio pc, now have a modified ohm (thanks djandy & darryl)
will be testing on laptop from tomorrow with the denon attached, safe to say I will be using the laptop fri night
Kev
I went live with OtsAVDJ 1.90 this weekend, Fri & Sat nights.
My main DJ PC is an hp Pavilion SE5 along with Denon HC4500 + X900.
Both gigs (same venue) were 8hrs (each) of pure adrenalin and at no point during that time did I feel unsure with v1.90.
I found it to be as stable as it's predecessors and much easier to navigate. With previous versions I have relied on the mouse for navigation/selection ... on Fri/Sat, I hardly used the mouse because it was smoother to use the keyboard.
I sandboxed the looping the other day, but didn't actually use it over the weekend. However, the snapping ability really made mixing without headphones much easier.
I am eager to see whatever updates are in the pipeline but so far, for me at least, :thumbsup:
Quote from: Music2Party on August 05, 2012, 01:19:04 PM
Hi All
This is John from Music2Party. Used VDJ last night instead of Ots AV for my wedding gig and it froze!! The audio kept playing but the program was not responding and as soon as it finished the song playing that was it? Sound stopped !!Could not close it or anything had to use Ctrl Alt Del to close it! I was using the auto mix and used the mouse to change the track when it happened, was also using clickbank to show video transitions?
I have never had this all the time I used Ots AV 1.85 ? So is VDJ no good for video unless you have the lasted laptop and win 7?? NO reading their forum reports they are full of problems no matter what spec your laptop is!! So VDJ is not a replacement option!
But me not silly!! As we run a fully professional business I had also plugged in my Ots files H.D and was able to start my OTS program and continue without any problems for the rest of the night. A Big thank you OTS AV 1.85 you again as you have been doing for 3 years + saved the day!
The moral of this story is if it is not broken don't try to fix it!! :thumbsup: Not Kean on Esperance but no problem still with 1.85 :happy:
Cheers guys and girls
John
Music2Party UK
I can see 1.85 remaining very popular,,after all is it close to perfect, and rock solid.
I wouldnt change to anything else...
Hi me again following on from my last post about how solid 1.85 is with XP is anyone running win 7 32bit and using Ots 1.85 or 1.90 successfully as I have an update available but have never had the balls to install it! As it runs so well on XP but if the pc guys are saying the support and updates for XP will stop soon should I upgrade to Win7 32 bit?
Any advice would be much welcomed :unsure:
Regards
John
Music2Party
Look at it this way - manufacturer support for the Ford Model T ended quite some time ago, but I saw one on the road (looking amazing) last week in the Scottish Borders.
Just because support is going for XP, doesn't mean your XP will suddenly be useless. Whatever software you are running now will continue to run. When you need to buy a new PC - either because yours has broken down beyond economical repair or you wish to use software that requires a more modern hardware platform, worry about the operating system choice then.
Personally I won't get Windows 8 until at least 12 months after its release - it normally takes software vendors a few months to catch up with the operating system - in some cases much longer. The changes between Windows XP and Windows 7 from a user's point of view are along the lines of "oh that looks pretty" and "where have they moved this setting to?". For example: Windows Explorer no longer selects the file extension when you rename a file and 'Add or Remove Programs" has been renamed to "Programs and Features". The latter is only a big deal if you have the items in the control panel sorted alphabetically and expect it to be at the top.
Behind the scenes: I think the basic guts of Windows 7 and Windows XP aren't massively different. Of course Windows 7 comes in both 32 bit and 64 bit varieties, but the advantages of a 64 bit architecture only really come into play when you are trying to access very large amounts of data quickly. It's not as obvious an advantage to a programmer as the switch between 16 bit and 32 bit.
For now, I've stuck with Windows 7 32 bit. I will bite the bullet and go 64 - most of the applications I wish to use have native 64bit versions and most of the 32 bit applications I wish to use will run fine under WOW64 (where Windows 7 squirrels away 32 bit applications with their own registry and file system). From a consumer point of view - eventually all applications will be 64 bit and you wont know if an application you currently use will work on 64 bit Windows 7 until you try it.
Thanks Darryl
If I can refresh your memory we have never finish our HML mod on my Hercules RMX we were working on together? We got the slider start working but never sorted out the buttons each side to turn it on or off? As i guess this same HML will work when I start to test run 1.90
Do you remember?
Regards
John
Music2Party
No. That slipped my memory with all the release stuff. I can get back to it now.
Yes Please Darryl would be nice to finish it between us so I can turn off slider start either side when I want to please
Regards
John
Music2Party
both of my gig computers are now upgraded. Will be using them this weekend. Looking forward to it.
already used esperance for my last gig after 1 hour of testing it...
i have a lot of trust in ots and as usuall it went fine
Used 1.90 at 2 seperate gigs this weekend, very nice not having to use the mouse pad on the laptop. The screen colours were fine for me under low light (but then my eyes are fine anyway)I prefer the decks at the bottom, but can live with them at the top. Loving the new search and its easier and quicker to place tracks in the playlist. The last play feature is a nice touch too.
Performance of the software was as expected (perfect) with no lag or glitches, would like to be able to resize media lists for long titles (as like most I have different mixes of same songs)
couldn't have onscreen video monitors enabled (well I could but it left the lists a little short) but that is down to resolution of the laptop
all in all happy with it and wouldn't go back, 1.90 is the way forward and I am looking forward to new updates :)
Kev
I've got my system on soak test. I'm looking forward to gigging with it on Wednesday.
I regret I won't be........... especially when I have some audio glitches on my test machine that I can not get rid of :angry1:
I may try a higher spec machine later on.
I also just love the practicality of the old version (one click catagories, decks on bottom, one click search all items, CD Audio etc)
Got a gig Saturday, I'll be flying without a net, or is it a parachute?
I have managed to download Esperance - but it won't let me in without a licence - the only one I have is the 1.85 one - but it won't get past wanting me to put in my licence when I already have.
Like MusicmadUK, I did two gigs with Esperance over the weekend... both went flawlessly. The new search is fantastic :wowza:
Quote from: arthurvasey on August 13, 2012, 12:55:29 PM
I have managed to download Esperance - but it won't let me in without a licence - the only one I have is the 1.85 one - but it won't get past wanting me to put in my licence when I already have.
If you have OtsAV DJ Pro-Classic+ then you can paste your PDI into the Product License window of the licensing box & then get your machine license online (if you're connected to the internet), should take a couple of seconds to do that.
If you have a license that was purchased under the Esperance promotion, OtsLabs will send you details on how to upgrade.
If you have any other version, you will need to purchase an upgrade.
Quote from: arthurvasey on August 13, 2012, 12:55:29 PM
I have managed to download Esperance - but it won't let me in without a licence - the only one I have is the 1.85 one - but it won't get past wanting me to put in my licence when I already have.
Does your licence allow you to have the upgrade, it should tell you in your licences in otszone .com
Let us know how you get on.
I can't see anything about it in that section.
EDIT: Mine is Pro somethingorother - no Classic or whatever.
Quote from: arthurvasey on August 13, 2012, 06:19:33 PM
I can't see anything about it in that section.
EDIT: Mine is Pro somethingorother - no Classic or whatever.
Basically, if you bought it in the last few years but before July 18th 2012, the upgrade is not free. Regular price is $189 for the upgrade. I am not sure when the license stopped including upgrades to 2.0, but I'm guessing it was around 2006.
Bought it some time last year - you can always rely on me to get things the moment they are superseded by something else!
Used 1.90 Saturday night without problems, still getting used to the search function and the limited spaced allowed for track names, as like many I have several remixes of the same track and are finding difficult to choose between them, having to at the moment right click and show info on each one..... not good.
I like for example if you have items in the prepare panel and remove it for a short while when enabled again it remembers, maybe the same could be applied if you could temporary reduced the screen to two panes for better search functionality, and then re-enable to check previously played items.
Quote from: scott hanna on August 13, 2012, 06:29:47 PM
Basically, if you bought it in the last few years but before July 18th 2012, the upgrade is not free. Regular price is $189 for the upgrade. I am not sure when the license stopped including upgrades to 2.0, but I'm guessing it was around 2006.
Oops, I meant to say July 18th 2011
Quote from: Nicolee on August 13, 2012, 10:09:24 PM
I like for example if you have items in the prepare panel and remove it for a short while when enabled again it remembers, maybe the same could be applied if you could temporary reduced the screen to two panes for better search functionality, and then re-enable to check previously played items.
I believe it does exactly what you are asking for, or maybe I don't understand specifically what you are asking for? Try "x"ing out of one of your panels then re-enabling it, it's all there. Pretty cool in my books. Hopefully what you're looking for.
Quote from: Dr.J on August 14, 2012, 10:14:41 AM
I believe it does exactly what you are asking for, or maybe I don't understand specifically what you are asking for? Try "x"ing out of one of your panels then re-enabling it, it's all there. Pretty cool in my books. Hopefully what you're looking for.
Indeed it does my good sir, I managed to reduce it to 3 panes, just didn't see the other 'x' to reduce it to two panes...
That will help alot in selecting the right track...